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Sunday, December 19, 2010

The Essence of Nessy Hunting

Hi agents,

As promised, in this post I'll tell you some exclusive info you might never observe so detailed before, be ready folks !

Have you tried hunting with Nessy before ? If yes, did you get profit ? Or the other way around ?

The golden rule to Nessy hunting is you must use mystic setup. Thanks to latest updates from the GT Dev, we now have two ultimate traps for mystic setup, either with Magic Maze (MM) or Lucky Rabbit (LR). Moreover, we also have some possible choices of great magic circles, Wax Pyramids (WP) or Black Dragon's Breath (BDB). While there is Countess Wilhelmina (CW) in the Arcane side, Bio side will count on their new reinforcement contract Etain, Pict Huntress (EPH).  I won't go through the details, so if you never hear some of the terms mentioned above (or below), please visit http://wiki.ghost-trappers.com/wiki/Main_Page for more complete explanations.


And so, I've been collecting data over 5000 ghosts while using Nessy with different attractions, setups, and in distinct hunting places. There are some interesting similarities over different sets of data, and I'll try to give the answers to some popular questions based on my findings.




What is the percentage of attracting Nessy-ghosts while using Nessy as bait ?
This, I can say answer precisely : 5%
Please note that it's the total percentage of all five Nessy-ghosts attracted.  One of my friend suggests that it comes from 1% for each of 5 Nessy-ghosts (although I never counted them in individually), well that's one good way to think about it. But anyway, 1 out of 20 ghosts ? Very reasonable indeed.

Are you sure ? I can't see any of them in my last 40 hunts !
Stay on your knees. I've been worse (81 hunts, my record). But fter thousands of hunting those myth creatures and keeping track of the data., I realize the number always converges to 5% in the long run. Do you have the same problem as above ? Don't worry, it means you'll get some soon, just be patient, and your time will come.

The Myth 5


What is the base multiplier of a Nessy-ghost to drop Nessy ?
This will be less accurate, since the number of Nessy-ghosts caught is only hundreds, but the data says it's  about 15%

And what does this mean ? Suppose you have Ghost Seal / Countess Wilhelmina / Twilight / Witch Cauldron / Mini mocktail collection for a x3 loot multplier (don't know how to count ? see my previous post). It means now you have 45% chance for the Nessy-ghosts to drop the yellow bottles if you manage to catch them. Of course their midnight counterparts will have better chance of dropping, so if you use the Arcane setup (with at least 10% midnight thanks to WP and CW) your have a slightly higher chance.

One warning though, I sense a cap on the final drop percentage (the rate while I was using Leprechaun is less from what it should be), so using Seal/Goat will be a better way to do it. And remember, choose your hunting places wisely depends on your available areas, especially those with more Mystic-resistant ghosts.

Is the last thing mentioned really useful ?
Common sense. When you hunt with Nessy, you don't only catch Nessy-ghosts. In fact, most of the time (95% to be exact), you'll attract other ghosts and throw away your Nessy by catching them. So more mystic resistant ghosts means you won't be able to catch those (thanks to near-zero raw) and eventually will reduce that 95% down to as low as 60% if you choose the correct hunting place.


How is this gonna makes profit in my Nessy hunting ?
Now this is quite important. Assume that you use the arcane setup with those loot multipliers I mentioned just now, from which we have at least 75 mystic. 
From 1000 ghosts, we will attract 5%*1000 = 50 Nessy-ghosts.
From 50 Nessy-ghosts, we will catch 75%*50 = 37.5 Nessy-ghosts.

And let's say 30% are mystic resistant ghosts, so we will catch 75%*(100%-30%)*1000 =  525 ghosts.

We can get an average of 30 Nessy per drop (I have another separate data to back up this), and since we're using Ghost Seal, it's 40 Nessy per drop.
Thus from 37.5 Nessy-ghosts, we will get 45%*37.5*40 = 675 Nessy.

We get a profit of 150 Nessy, more than enough !! 
Oh in fact the mystic won't affect whether you'll profit or not, but more mystic means more profit. This includes some algebraic stuff, so I try not to go further.

Does additional attraction affects the rate of attracting them ?
So far no significant effects detected by adding attraction (even +3), so don't bother to maximize attraction instead of mystic or loot multiplier. It does affects the distribution for the normal ghosts though, you will attract the rarer ones more often. Haven't checked the effect of using Nessy PE though, I'll do the research when I have enough to spend freely ^^"

Seems doubtful for me..
No forces in the world can convince you my friend. If you believe and wanna try, that's good. Otherwise, you can stick to your personal plan. Just remember this is a long run effort, not short trial and error. And longer cool down means you have to wait longer for the same amount of ghosts to be caught (I hate waiting thus my personal favorite is Arcane setup).

Now that you own the extra knowledge, I'll be glad to hear any good news from you =)

Last question, what to expect for Celebration Weeks ?
Whoops, that's out of topic for today's edition, but I definitely gonna post something about it soon (coz I'm gonna have to face my last paper on 21..) So see you in my next post, thanks for reading and happy hunting !

15 comments:

  1. Wow thanks so much !

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  2. Wow, another nice thoughts~
    Just giving some of my opinion, sometimes we needn't to hunt in the place with high mystic resistant ghost, but I prefer to hunt in a place with many juices loot such as McKenny.
    Why? Assuming it's only have 15% mystic resistant ghost *decreased from 30% as your thoughts*, we still can get more gold, xp, and of course loot from the rest.
    1 Dark Cherry = 3,1 k
    1 Blood Orange = 2,8 k
    1 Midnight apple = 3,3 k
    and with base loot x3, assuming 15% of them giving us these juices, we can change the nessies which is used for catching this ghost with the juices instead.
    So we can subtitute the 15% mystic resistant with 15% mystic un-resistant plus 15% chances of the loot. And it'll give some advantages such as xp and sometimes we can get more profit from the juices.
    Yeah, looks like we need another algebraic stuff to compare this thoughts with your thoughts *30% mystic resistant places*, but you have nice thoughts there!~ Thanks!

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  3. Oh of course there are some alternatives if at the same time you want to aim for different loots like juices or CCF. There're a few better places than McKenny though if you wannna hunt for Nessy alone =p

    Thanks for the great thought =)

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  4. Hei Raymond! Thanks for youre great inputs here. I have just started out nessyfarming myself. im usin the leprachaun and a total of 4 loot multiplier along with 76 mystic, i dont have the seal or the goat so my question is: how much difference was the lootdropping when you used the leprachaun, could it be that it doesnt attract nessys as much as the seal or the goat?, i have tried for a week now with about 100 as a profit, but my cooldown is only 4 minutes, will soon get the mighty crystal that will bring it down to 2 minutes....

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  5. @Anonymous : there's no real difference between using lepre / seal or goat in attracting the Nessy ghost, but using lepre is not a good option when hunting Nessy compared to those two =)

    Anyway good luck with your CCF hunting =)

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  6. omg. We have the stampede buff at the moment. I'm up 334 nessy in 12 hours. I tried your set up earlier in the day, went quite a while with no nessy drops, then it started slowly, then the buff! Also got the vacuum cleaner drop, and 2 lil kelpies.

    You rock!

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  7. @Diane : thanks and good luck with you Nessy hunting =)

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  8. Hey Raymond: I just want to ask you what your fav location is for nessys hunting. Also, I only got Pixie (no Seal or so). Do you think, I still can get some Nessys? ;)

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  9. i have to admit using the leprachaun wasnt as productive as i thought in the beginning but now im beginning to get some really good results here, im down to 2 mins cooldowntime, and i was lucky enough to get nessyaugment on my leprachaun, now if i hunt activly i get a profit of between 100 and 300 nessys each day. My guess is that you didnt use the lep long enough and that you stopped because you thought it gave you less nessydrops. having 4 loot multiplier should give me about 60% dropchanse according to youre estimates, and i have to say, i think it is about 60% now. im also up to 84 mystic thanks to the myth collection and the wax pyramides...

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  10. @Tobi: Pixie is good for hunting Nessy, so you can use it for some moment until you get either seal or goat and you can start some really good Nessy Hunting

    @Anonymous : I might be wrong, but I observe some 'anomaly' while hunting with too many loot multiplier in general (not only for Nessy)

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  11. i have been trying the nessy hunting myself today. and i was doing really well for a while. but now i havent gotten any in the last 6 hrs. im currently hunting in loch should i just stay here or is there a better place to go for the nessy hunts?

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  12. edit: i just moved to mckenny

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  13. Hi,
    Great places for nessy hunting are those who have mystic-resistant ghost(s) inside, since they won't be caught using your Nessy+mystic setup.

    For example Count Church (R3.4) is one of the best since there are 2 out of 5 mystic resistant ghosts (poltergeist & viking) and Wellsington Tower (R3.1) is not a good choice since it doesn't have any mystic-resistant ghosts. Hope it helps.

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